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Re: An experiment with numbers

Postby Xah » Fri Feb 03, 2017 10:47 am

Actually, I'll get some beta testers. Or maybe alpha, as it's that early.

I've altered the numbers so that there's now 12 indicators, in 4 categories. You decide what kind of 'power' your nation is; super, great, regional or small, then you get 4 sets of numbers to distribute in each of the categories against the indicators, rating them from 1 to 8. Tables will be provided to describe what value represents. These are then used to calculate the statistics for your nation using sekrit, highly complicated formulae (no honest! there's weighting and everything!). Expectations are that your numbers match your RP, and the other way around. Also, if you're a super-power, you're a playa' now. People will be expecting you to act like one.

The categories and their indicators are:
Population: Fairly self explanatory. Number of people who are citizens of your nation. The value you pick is the maximum you're allowed. It doesn't have to be this high.
Land area: Again, the name says it all. Will be in km² and, like population, is the maximum.
Resources: The number of resources your nation has abundant access to. Enough to be classed as world dominant in that regard. Not a monopoly, but certainly enough to sell it cheaper and more of it than anyone else.
GDP per capita: The average earnings of an average citizen in $ American. This is relative, so an average earnings of $8000 might not seem a lot, but the cost of living might be lower in your nation. $60,000 might seem a lot, but if a small house costs $600,000, then you'll need it.
Tax rate: How much of the nation's monetary flow is diverted to the government. Includes things like income tax, capital gains and industry taxes.
Efficiency: How much of the income your nation's government collects is able to be used for productive means. Low efficiency could mean corruption and the like, but it could also mean a large bureaucracy or welfare system.
Governmental authority: How much power the national government wields over the nation. Some nations might have semi-autonomous regions who only pay lip service to national authorities.
Military size: As a percentage of the population, how many people are directly employed by the armed forces. Doesn't include reserves or situations like Switzerland, where all adult males are required to ready for call up. Does include paramilitary forces and irregulars.
Military budget: How much of your budget is given to the military.
Culture: The 'soft power' of your nation. Be it a large and productive media, language hegemony (like English), arts and music or similar. Can give your nation more apparent influence than armies and money would otherwise bring.
Science: How productive the research areas of your nation are. Number of scientists, papers producted, cutting edge technologies invented, etc. Not an indicator of how advanced your nation is as a whole, but rather the 'top line' of technology your nations has access to.
Education: How developed your average citizen is. Doesn't just include schooling, but reflects how well your citizens are connected to the leading edge of knowledge. A low education doesn't mean everyone is stupid, but rather you may have a large population of subsistence farmers who have better things to do than be on Facebook, or watch 3DTV.

The calculated values are:
Population density: An average. Just for info. Although if it's high, you'll need to explain where you're growing all that food, or importing it.
GDP (total): Essentially the GDP per capita multiplied by your population. It's more complex in reality, but this is just a game dammit.
National bduget: How much of that tasty GDP your government has to spend. Want more? Raise taxes.
Technological distribution: What percentage of your population has access to the most modern technology available in the world. It's not absolute, so if it's 60%, then 40% aren't mud-living cavemen, it tails off gradually.
World influence: Got a big army, a massive GDP but this is low? Don't expect people to listen to you if you ask nicely, you've got to be the bully if you want something shiny. Got an army of 200 goats and an economy balanced on string but this is high? You've got respect bro, nations will take your opinions into account, even if ultimately they don't agree with you. Like Switzerland and Sweden, Canada and New Zealand, sometimes it's the nice guys who get the nasty people to come to the table.
Security: Not everyone in a nation agrees with the government. Whether this is 'Disgruntled from Tunbridge Wells' or the 'People's Front of Judea', you're going to get dissenters. This tells you how much of your population is in active disagreement with the state. It might not be violent, they still might pay their taxes, but they're not voting for you and will most probably be working to ensure your government is replaced. These are the people who are going to get awkward, regardless of what you say and do.

So. Choose your power, assign your numbers. Next post are the tables for figures and numbers.
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Re: An experiment with numbers

Postby Xah » Fri Feb 03, 2017 10:54 am

Points table:

Super: 22, 18, 16, 14
Great: 20, 16, 14, 10
Regional: 16, 14, 12, 8
Small: 14, 12, 8, 6

1 5,000,000
2 15,000,000
3 50,000,000
4 100,000,000
5 250,000,000
6 500,000,000
7 1,000,000,000
8 5,000,000,000

Land area (km²)
1 160,000
2 640,000
3 1,440,000
4 2,560,000
5 4,000,000
6 5,760,000
7 7,840,000
8 10,240,000

1 point for 1 resource

GDP per capita ($)
1 5,000
2 10,000
3 15,000
4 20,000
5 35,000
6 50,000
7 65,000
8 85,000

Tax rate (%)
1 5
2 10
3 15
4 20
5 30
6 40
7 60
8 90

1 No organised tax collection, widespread corruption, poor governmental infrastructure
2 Some taxes, largely off-set by corruption. Central bank with few powers
3 Established tax regime. Corruption common and expected. Poor system of collection and distribution
4 Taxes paid regularly, corruption prosecuted but infrequently, good infrastructure
5 Well organised taxation and distribution, corruption levels low
6 Advanced and progressive taxation at all level. Corruption unheard of.
7 Bureaucracy limited and efficient, no tax evasion, streamlined government
8 Almost perfect system, little to no waste, taxes fully paid up by all contributors

Governmental Authority
1 Little or no overall control. Total anarchy
2 Some control over central regions. Civil war.
3 Good control over capital and outlying areas. Outer regions passive but uncooperative
4 Widespread acknowlegment of de-facto government control, large regions of semi-autonomy
5 Unifed nation but with popular sepratist movements. Poor distribution of state infrastructure
6 Cohesive nationality, good spread of infrastructure
7 Popular support for authority, limited dissent, excellent infrastructure
8 Little to no dissent, governmental control total and pervasive

Army (% of population)
1 0.05
2 0.1
3 0.5
4 1
5 2
6 10
7 15
8 20

Mil. Budget (% of national budget)
1 0.1
2 0.5
3 1
4 1.5
5 2
6 2.5
7 3
8 5

1 Unknown to all but niche scholars
2 Avante garde artists may reference, general knowledge low
3 Some small influence on minor aspects
4 Counter-cultures often pick up on aspects, some bleeding into mainstream awareness
5 Mentioned or used in everyday awareness, even if influence is limited
6 Large producer of cultural artifacts. General population fully aware
7 Widespread influence of not only pop-culture but history and language
8 Major contributor to an era's culture. Responsible for other nations' own culture

1 Little or no research. Virtually all technology is imported without knowledge of how it works
2 A few research facilities probably foreign operated. Tiny minority could repair high-technology
3 Larger educational or corporate facilities for research, known for the occasional person in a given field
4 Limited facilties for copying and reverse-engineering foreign made tech. Some new research published occasionally
5 Active research programs, both private and government. Largely based on outside work. Established PhD program
6 Frequent production of home-grown research, even if based on other's prior work. New tech developed but sold for mass-production
7 Unique and novel research fields. Exporter of own propriatory technologies.
8 World-class research facilities. Leader in one or more fields. Acknowledged named international experts

1 No organised educational system.
2 Limited access to basic education. Few private schools for the wealthy
3 Most people attend school during early childhood. Drops off quickly afterwards. A few higher education centres
4 Majority attend school until teenage years. Minority continue onto higher education
5 Education is guaranteed for all. Widespread access to higher education
6 Education is mandatory for majority of pre-adult years. Almost 100% of people have recognised qualifications.
7 Attendance of higher education is normal. Widely regarded as world-leading educational system
8 Highest possible attainment for all. Education is focused and efficient leading to useful qualifications
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Re: An experiment with numbers

Postby Xah » Fri Feb 03, 2017 10:54 am

Worked example: Xah

Xah is a 'Great' nation, so receives 20, 16, 14 and 10
Xah chooses:
20 for economy; Xah, whilst small, has a very productive workforce and a unique internal economy
16 in military; Xah's caste system doesn't allow for much dissent and the Warrior caste, whilst small, is very well funded
14 in knowledge; Probably the most advanced nation in the world in genetics and with an effective educational system
10 in geography; Sitting at the top of the world, Xah isn't blessed with good geography, but has a number of valuable resources

Assigning the points:
Population: 4
Land area: 1
Resources: 5
GDP (per cap): 6
Tax rate: 8
Efficiency: 6
Gov. Auth : 8
Military size: 3
Military budget : 5
Culture: 1
Science: 7
Education: 6

Calculates to:
Population (max): 100 million
Land area: 160,000 km²
Pop. density: 625.0 people per km²
Resources: 5 resources available
GDP (per capita): $50,000
GDP (total): 5,000 $bn
Effective tax rate: 90%
National Budget: 1,791.00 $bn
Technological dist.: 80.0 %
Military size: 500,000
Military budget: 35.82 $bn
World Influence: 23.2 indexed score from 1-100
Security: 0.13 % dissent
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Re: An experiment with numbers

Postby Xah » Fri Feb 03, 2017 10:55 am

Interested? Drop a post in with your numbers and I'll churn out your values :)
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Re: An experiment with numbers

Postby Wuufu » Fri Feb 03, 2017 12:27 pm

The Cynosure Temple

Super Power
  • 22 for Knowledge: The Temple is very inclusive, very cultural and scientific driven. Knowledge provides that foundation.
  • 20 for Geography: The Temple is a rather large nation, though the population has been falling from its record highs.
  • 18 for Economy: The Temple has an entirely internally focused economy, and thus its a rather small affair.
  • 16 for Military: While the Temple’s military is rather small, the nation has a strong, socially oriented government.

  • Population: 8
  • Land Area: 7
  • Resources: 5

  • GDP per capita: 4
  • Tax rate: 8
  • Efficiency: 6

  • Government authority: 8
  • Military size: 3
  • Military budget: 5

  • Culture: 8
  • Science: 7
  • Education: 7
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Re: An experiment with numbers

Postby Großadmiral V » Fri Feb 03, 2017 3:33 pm

Imperial Federated States of Ukarist
(I've taken it as a whole, and averaged any "nation-wide" figures across the states)

Super Power
22 Knowledge: None of the states slacked on their educational systems. Being a world-leader in medicine, and the world leader for pharmaceuticals can be attested to an educational tradition of excellence typical of nature of the states in the Ukaristi Kaiserthum. Furthermore, many of the diverse cultures of the states have left a mark on the world.
18 Military: "PANZER VOR" (Enough said?)
16 Economy: Whilst inefficiency is a real issue with the spread out and diverse Ukaristi Empire, the recent economic boom provided by the internal free trade agreement has thrust Ukarist in the direction of a stronger economy.
14 Geography: North-Baltic-esque

Population: 8 (Just under 2.5 Bn)
Land Area: 4
Resources: 2 (Notable Quantity of Crude Oil/Diesel)

GDP Per Capita: 7 (Norwegian Levels in places)
Tax Rate: 3
Efficiency: 6

Government Authority: 5
Military Size: 5
Military Budget: 8

Culture: 8 (Ask your local ØKEA for a free sample)
Science: 7
Education: 7 (Typical for countries that have a history of strife)

As a whole, Ukarist is pretty strong.
It is, however, not a very unitary Kaiserthum, which is perhaps why Ukarist doesn't dominate other nations as much as the figures may suggest.
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Re: An experiment with numbers

Postby LordSylveon » Fri Feb 03, 2017 5:30 pm

Might As well Throw the Aeternum under Super Power.
18 for economy
16 for military
22 for knowledge
14 for geography

Assigning the points:
Geography 14
Population: 8 (Still wishing there was middle ground between 7 and 8)
Land Area: 4
Resources: 2 (Carbon! And random Mining Goods)

Economy 18
GDP Per Capita: 8
Tax Rate: 2
Efficiency: 8

Military 16
Government Authority: 4
Military Size: 4
Military Budget: 8

Knowledge 22
Culture: 6
Science: 8
Education: 8

I'm not sure how I feel about the groupings, but hey, I'm willing to give anything a shot. This probably doesn't look a lot like the authoritarian government we all know and hate love

Perleninsel is a Regional Power

14 for economy
12 for military
16 for knowledge
8 for geography

Assigning the points:
Geography 8
Population: 2
Land Area: 2
Resources: 4

Economy 14
GDP Per Capita: 6
Tax Rate: 2
Efficiency: 6

Military 12
Government Authority: 6
Military Size: 2
Military Budget: 4

Knowledge 16
Culture: 6
Science: 5
Education: 5
Sometimes the world needs to BURN so it can grow.

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Re: An experiment with numbers

Postby Atherakhia » Tue Feb 07, 2017 12:42 am

Great Power

20 for Knowledge:
14 for Geography:
16 for Economy:
18 for Military:


Population: 7
Land Area: 4
Resources: 3


GDP per capita: 4
Tax rate: 6
Efficiency: 6


Government authority: 6
Military size: 6
Military budget: 6


Culture: 6
Science: 7
Education: 7
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